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Started by Matt Joswick. Last reply by Truman Leung Oct 8, 2010.

Google Wave - RIP 8 Replies

Its too bad they gave up so quickly. Given a multiyear investment I think they could have pulled it off.Google Blog: But despite these wins, and numerous loyal fans, Wave has not seen the user…Continue

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Started by Daniel Leuck. Last reply by Les Vogel Aug 6, 2010.

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Being a programmer and a general techie addict, I am not a big fan of closed platforms nor proprietary APIs. That's why something like Google Pad would be of interest to me. It's probably quite a bit…Continue

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Google Apps Premier Edition for the Enterprise 5 Replies

The purpose of this discussion forum is to discuss experiences with converting to and using GAPE for enterprise applications such as email, calendaring, contacts, collaboration, etc.Continue

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Comment by Patrick Ahler on February 8, 2010 at 3:41pm
Orkut = FAIL (and super lame)
GMail = WIN

Seriously disappointed in Google after Wave, placing all faith in Facebook as new ruler of the internet. Adsense and adwords are already crumbling, analytics is way overrated, search is becoming cluttered.

BTW - did anyone hear MS just bought the rights to iPhone search? BING!
Comment by Les Vogel on February 8, 2010 at 2:20pm
Comment by Patrick Ahler on February 7, 2010 at 8:11pm
I stand by my FAIL... in fact I claim it's the most epic FAIL of 2009... as for the long term adoption, we'll see... it definitely did not live up to the hype
Comment by Les Vogel on February 7, 2010 at 7:34pm
The Blogosphere makes itʻs money by being controversial. Quite a bit of crap gets reviewed as if itʻs the second coming. When you actually use it, itʻs crap.

Twitter, with out being pejorative, came out with lots of buzz, then tanked in the PR space, now everyone must Tweet, and itʻs the tool for revolutionaries. For the most part, nothing changed, just perception.

I work alone, so Iʻm not using it. But Iʻve got a couple of friends who regularly meet and do collaborative writing. Iʻve gotten them both accounts and am looking to what they are doing with it.

If I was working with a team, Iʻd definitely give it a try for specification and documentation. I can imagine doing pair programming with it as well, once the tools are available.

Regarding the FAILʻs, I felt that way about Orkut for years, yet, as Stephen Colbert points out, the market has spoken, theyʻve got a huge non-US user base.
Comment by Patrick Ahler on February 7, 2010 at 6:18pm
All logical dialogue aside... FAIL
Comment by Daniel Leuck on February 7, 2010 at 5:40pm
Hey Alex - Its obviously subjective, but I think it was in wide released too early. it was simply too buggy and incomplete for something with that much hype. Many reviewers seem to agree including the folks at TechCrunch. The first few pages produced by a search on "google wave fail" are revealing.

I've seen Microsoft and Sun shoot themselves in the foot with premature announcements and poor roll-out strategies more times than I can count. I've seen it kill products and technologies many, many times. Google has a pretty good record in this area, but I think they stumbled with Wave.

As I said, I like Wave and I think it could still take off, but this insignificant lemur-loving techie gives them low marks on the roll-out.
Comment by Alex on February 7, 2010 at 5:06pm
..but look at how other technologies have been published. Plenty of people have been predicting the failure of twitter based on the frequent server issues (from the start) or FB based on the implementation of changes. Not one single large technology has been without pretty big flaws. Many still have them, and work very well.

Now I do agree if opinion leaders in general are saying wave is a failure, then it might influence adaptation rates (please put up links to these critiques, I am interested :-) ), but they have to be opinion leaders..the rest of us have no real say in this. I really don't think it is a timing issue, but more a managing expectations issue, which from my end seems okay.

That said I have plenty of issues and doubts about wave, but I really do not think prematureness is the main cause for concern in terms of early / late majority adaptation, I think complexity is. :-)
Comment by Daniel Leuck on February 7, 2010 at 4:17pm
Alex: Why was it announced prematurely? Because it has not seen a mass adaptation yet?

That isn't what I am saying. The evidence it was announced prematurely is all the bad ink its getting. Patrick's "FAIL" post here, right or wrong, is being echoed around the blogsphere. I think they should have kept it as an internal project until it was flushed out a bit more. With 20,000 employees they have plenty of opportunity for internal beta testing.

There is a difference between a quiet developer oriented release (or at least as quiet as anything Google does can be) and making a big splash with grandiose claims of reinventing the way people communicate. I think that could still happen, and they have a good chance of recovering, but the way the announcement and release occurred was rather messy. Because of this the public has a somewhat negative impression of the technology.

Note that I'm a huge fan of Google and I'm rooting for Wave.
Comment by Alex on February 7, 2010 at 3:53pm
Why was it announced prematurely?
Because it has not seen a mass adaptation yet? You have to look at the potential and what they are trying to do. How long did it take for email to place other means of communication in companies (less infrastructure implementation)?
I don't think it was announced prematurely. Not even close. I had a sandbox developers account in July, and a lot of the features were not working, However, most guys there were aware of this, but happy we could experiment with creating apps for it. As far as I can see this is pretty much the way google has announced every self developed product in their portfolio. .

I do not think it was prematurely announced. The most important is that this is an innovation where there are no current users. It heavily relies on the general public to implement different apps for it.
What google understands (IMO) is two fold. Firstly is is the importance of being early (not a end all, but important). Secondly, is the time lag in diffusion of innovations.They recognize the importance of external developers to make "apps". It'll be alfa omega for shortening the time for diffusion. In addition I really think the potential of wave lies in the XMPP which wave exploits very well.

anyhow. How are the real waves today? Time to go out perhaps.

I do think it is too early to call, but definitely too early to say it was premature.

The potential of the XMPP is huge. I'm not really saying that wave will be the final and best implementation, but a variation of it will certainly replace email as a business communication tool.

I am sure there were a lot of people that said email never would catch on too. The potential and flexibility
Comment by Cameron Souza on February 7, 2010 at 3:46pm
Les - Are you making heavy use of Google Wave? What addons are you using? Do you mind sharing a little about your experience?

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