Avatar, besides being a visually stunning demonstration of 3D capabilities, also raises some very interesting points in neuroscience. It mainly talks about a planet-wide neural network and ability to plug into one another's nervous system.
So I was just wondering if anyone has any view/information on the subject. Do you think such neural networks are possible? Do they already exist on some levels? How is the neuro-net of our brain different from that of our surrounding environment?
The Tree of Life. Gustav Klimt, 1909.
Stephen Corry, director of the charity Survival, which campaigns on behalf of indigenous people, said: "Just as the Na'vi describe the forest of Pandora as 'their everything', for the Dongria Kondh, life and land have always been deeply connected. The fundamental story of Avatar – if you take away the multi-coloured lemurs, the long-trunked horses and warring androids – is being played out today in the hills of Niyamgiri.
Since 2007, four international investors — including the Church of England — have sold off their stock in the company citing ethical concerns over the project.
"We have lived here for thousands of years and have always worshipped Niyam Rajah in our villages," said Mukuna Majhi, a bare-chested elderly man, carrying an axe over his shoulder.
"If Vedanta mines the mountain, the water will dry up. In the Niyamgiri forests, there are tigers, bears, monkeys and wild boar. All kinds of other animals. We all live together. Where will the animals go to drink? Where will we go to drink?" asked a young man in a video posted on Survival International's Web site. "We won't allow Vedanta to take over our hills. We won't allow them to mine any part of our mountain. We won't allow Vedanta to touch our water," he said.(Taken from a CNN news source)
They're just describing how different elements of their ecology are connected.Precisely. I think neuro-net is this very connectedness of our brain/nervous-system to the surrounding environment, whether it is natural or man-made.
In other words, if you took all the plants & animals to a similar environment (say a comparable mountain/valley nearby) I'm sure they'd be just fine.You raise an interesting point. The article mentions that those people spent 'thousands' of years in that environment. Given the point made earlier about connectedness of our nervous system to the environment, IMO this move could cause them irreparable psychological damage. In 'our' world things are a bit simpler, but again, we have not lived here for 'thousands' of years..
They may believe that the mountain is sacred, but that is not proof for it having some sort of "connection" to the environment beyond the obvious physical processes.Science is relatively young, so naturally it can not explain a lot of things, which does not mean those things are not there. Biggest scientific discoveries were mostly based on intuition, not a proven scientific fact :) Given this, IMO it is important to apply science in a humble way, with respect for the culture. Otherwise we might be making expensive mistakes that are way too difficult to correct..
Yes, it is. It's like, imagine there is no Windows OS anymore, just some other form of operating system that you were not familiar with, and you were asked to immediately adapt and survive by programming for it. A long-time Windows programmer would probably have a difficult time surviving that scenario.. :) Now imagine that magnified by 'thousands' of years.. Honestly some of us get upset when shelves are rearranged in their favorite supermarket, now imagine that done to the whole mountain. Another example is how we love cities. Some people love New York, others love London, Paris, etc.. All those cities are still relatively young, but there are people who are already attached to a particular city. They do not want to leave. Those people would suffer if that was taken away from them.
Yes, unfortunately a lot of them had to go through separation, almost irrevocably loosing their spiritual connections. I really enjoyed watching Australia movie, which also has aspects of 'connectedness' with natural phenomena. Australian government have been going through some
Yes, years of culture leave very strong imprints. Though I'll probably have to disagree about the absence of direct neural connections. They are just not as 'visible' to the naked eye, as those in Avatar. That's why Avatar is a movie :) It's like if you have to travel away from your 'beloved' environment, coming back is really pleasant. It is a relaxing, healing experience. An example, if you are away from your computer for a number of days, and then finally get back to it, do you miss it? I think we all have some neuro 'connections' with outside phenomena, whether it is a mountain, a city, or a computer :)
Yes, partially that is true. But in many cases, plants and animals are also very sensitive to their habitats. This is the primary reason why there are so many endangered species, is because either they've been removed from their natural habitats, or their habitats have been changed too rapidly (more so by man than nature) before they could naturally adapt. One example of an environmentally sensitive plant is the Silver Sword, which grows primarily on slopes of Haleakala.
Yes, I really like how you worded this :) Now to scrap all that accumulated wisdom for a bunch of gems is highly wasteful. I believe we'll be much better off preserving these communities and learning from them. Their wisdom is not only relevant to that particular mountain, but also to this planet in general. They know how to survive here.
Yes. The problem is that tourists do not really understand the value of sacred places. It has no meaning for them, just purely visual satisfaction.
Yes, that would be correct. The problem is that only those who live within the ecosystem can explain it's value. Our mistake is that we try to rationalize it, instead of simply showing our humble respect for indigenous inhabitants and asking them what we can do to live in peace & harmony.
Yep. We have a tendency to 'attach' ourselves to others, usually with intention to gain what we most desire. Which is why our brains & nervous system is not that much different from environmental networks described above. Here is a 3D visualization of neuron connections:
Given that our nervous system and environmental networks have obvious similarities, it is not difficult to conclude that we are capable of making neuro connections with the environment, where we start to interact with it on deeper emotional levels. This opens up a whole world of possibilities that most of us are not really aware of in our everyday lives. Unfortunately we ignorantly keep chasing those gems, often with full disregard for anything that stands in our way.
That's an awesome painting!Yea! Aboriginal people have a lot of awesome stuff like this, just Google 'Aboriginal Art'.
I think we often view them as resources to be exploited for our benefit, rather than equivalent entities to coexist with. I'm not sure where it ends, but certainly it's all related to how we view property "this is MINE" and ultimately self-identity "I am ME" - cf. we.Precisely. Somehow we were made to believe that our self-identity has any ultimate nature to it. Our nervous system is composed of neurons as demonstrated in the above picture. If there was an identity somewhere, where would it be? Is it possible to have multiple identities? How many?
I'd say we tend to think of ourselves as atomic individuals that exert mastery and control over things external to us.. rather than interacting and being a part of things.Yea, we live in a world of power & competition, consumerism and greed. Everything is about me me me me me me me... A very boring point of view, if you ask me. It is much more fun to be a part of things, which opens up possibilities that were not previously available. I would like to see more people coming to same conclusions and actively participating in creation of environmentally-connected neuro-nets, healing ourselves, this planet, and various creatures that are on it.
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