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Comment by Daniel Leuck on June 2, 2010 at 1:38pm
Hi Brandyn - I agree that the empty messages are annoying, but its being greatly exacerbated by the fact everything is being posted to this group's wall rather than being organized in discussions in the Discussion Forum associated with this group (see David Fisher's post above.) If members use the Discussion Forum, they will only be notified of the specific discussions in which they are participating.

You can also select "Stop Following" to end the email notifications for this wall without leaving the group.
Comment by Brandyn on June 2, 2010 at 1:28pm
(I'm sufficiently annoyed by the uninformative message notification links that I'm signing off this forum. Someone please email me when ning improves.)
Comment by Les Vogel on June 2, 2010 at 1:03pm
I think the issue is bandwidth to ones office. Within a office is 1G/sec transfers. (ideally). From the cloud is at best 5M/Sec (unlikely), and 1M/Sec up. (at best). Moving a large file such as "GeoDatabases" and "High Resolution Imagery", your likely to have 100sec best case time uploading (more likely 5-10 minutes).

For excel, word processing, and typical office stuff I agree with Keith and Reichart, but for these large things, I wonder.

Once you say, well, keep it on a local server, but back it up to QTask (or Google Apps), then you've got the possibility/likelihood of a process error.

Of course, you could run Mozy (or other creatures of it's ilk) on your server, and workstations to get past the backup issues.

She didn't express a need for things to be outside the firewall. If she had, once again, I'd agree.

So the remaining question is, can she get a reliable file sharing solution w/o an IT person? There are dedicated boxes like Drobo which fit the bill.

Now, if we can get Maui wired for Fiber, I'll change my views immediately.
Comment by Keith Powers on June 2, 2010 at 12:50pm
Why any company would ever have on onsite server anymore baffles me. The cloud is here.
Comment by Les Vogel on June 2, 2010 at 12:01pm
I thought all she wanted was a new central server with RAID so that she can share and deal with very large files. Why add QTask?
Comment by Sarah E McLane on June 2, 2010 at 8:06am
Wow I didn't know I was going to spark such a lively debate! I will in fact be looking at QTask. I think as long as we feel our internet connection reliability (which is pretty decent) is the main factor, we can at least do the free trial and see how it goes while maintaining a more local backup system as well.
Thank you all for the input! I am hoping to attend the Startup meetup as well, as I missed the last gathering at WokStar. Thanks again!
Comment by Daniel Leuck on June 1, 2010 at 11:23pm
Reichart - I think this conversation is a victim of non-verbal communication. You stated, "Qtask is sort of like this site (Ning) for adults that have real work to get done..." I said you are comparing apples and oranges. You responded with "I am?" so I took the time to read about your product and provide a justification for my assertion that they are not directly comparable. I was not disparaging you or your product. Next time you are on Oahu I'm happy to buy you a beer and chat in person.
Comment by Daniel Leuck on June 1, 2010 at 9:09pm
You are conflating social networks and business collaboration tools. None of the reviews Iʻve read of your product characterize it as "...a social network, for business" as you do. Your own marketing material and these reviews characterize Qtask as a business tool for collaboration and project management. It seems to be a very good tool for this, but I donʻt see any evidence it is a social network (public or intra-SNS.) Social networks have, at their core, social graphs - connections between people (friends, business associates, etc.) Can I "friend" a person on Qtask or form a colleague connection as I can on LinkedIn? These connections, and the connections of my connections facilitate functionality such as limiting visibility of content based on the degrees of separation between me and other members (e.g. "friends of friends" settings on Facebook or the degrees of separation search on LinkedIn.) This is different than organizing people in projects and tasks as business collaboration tools do.

If you take a look at Ning in CrunchBase, the "Competitors" area will give you a good idea of the players in this space. They are very different from your competitors in terms of features, positioning, etc.
Comment by Daniel Leuck on June 1, 2010 at 7:57pm
Reichart: But I must have touched a nerve, so , sure, I agree with everything you said as well...
You didnʻt hit any nerves. I didnʻt write Ning ;-) As you pointed out, you use the right tool for the job. TechHui isnʻt a business. Its a community site that is free for anyone with a connection to Hawaii and technology. Many of the members are students, professors, etc. Maybe Iʻm misunderstanding Qtask, but it doesnʻt seem to be positioned toward free community social networks. The players in this area are Ning, SocialGo, KickApps, etc. You identify your competitors as Microsoft (Outlook), 37Signals, WebOffice, etc. They are very different spaces.
I look forward to trying your free trial. It looks like a great tool for businesses and may be a fit for some of Ikayzoʻs customers.

Reichart: I live in a different universe of high accountability and transparency.
I think you will find many of your fellow TechHuians live in that world. We donʻt use Ning for bank or hedge fund customers.
Reichart: Personally I would be a fan of using FaceBook as the front facing site and a dark net once people are "in".
We utilize Facebook in various ways (see and will soon, thanks to new features from Ning, support Facebook login. Brian setup a Facebook "like" (fan) page, but we havenʻt yet had the time to populate it with content.
Comment by Les Vogel on June 1, 2010 at 7:25pm
I Hope so...

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