Is the IT field Hawaii really doing this bad? - TechHui2024-03-29T02:19:15Zhttp://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63362&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDigital Island was a huge suc…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-07-16:1702911:Comment:645182010-07-16T02:30:36.998ZJoel M. Leohttp://www.techhui.com/profile/JoelMLeo
Digital Island was a huge success. Ended up having to relocate to SF to maintain viability though and was eventually bought out by Cable & Wireless, then Savvis Communications when C&W auctioned off all of their assets in the US.<br />
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<cite>Jared Cheung said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?xg_source=activity&id=1702911%3ATopic%3A62604&page=2#1702911Comment63373"><div>Jake G. and John, I think you guys have hit my point right…</div>
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Digital Island was a huge success. Ended up having to relocate to SF to maintain viability though and was eventually bought out by Cable & Wireless, then Savvis Communications when C&W auctioned off all of their assets in the US.<br />
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<cite>Jared Cheung said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?xg_source=activity&id=1702911%3ATopic%3A62604&page=2#1702911Comment63373"><div>Jake G. and John, I think you guys have hit my point right on the nose. Companies in Hawaii do know take advantage of their employees and use the excuse of this is Hawaii and thus salaries here are just lower than the mainland. Yes, it is the NON-tech companies that are doing that. I have noticed the tech companies here are trying to solidify the standards but there aren't enough of them and none of them are successful enough to be very well known except within the tech community.<br/><br/>What Hawaii needs is a tech company to explode with success like a Google, eBay, Amazon, and a few smaller successful companies like Zappos. With successful and well known tech companies in Hawaii, it will force all companies to almost match the salaries and treatment of their tech employees for fear they will just leave and go work for one of those successful tech companies.</div>
</blockquote> yeah.. that is very very low.…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-07-15:1702911:Comment:645122010-07-15T23:51:05.322ZAlyssa Khttp://www.techhui.com/profile/808pm
yeah.. that is very very low....<br />
maybe it was a typo?
yeah.. that is very very low....<br />
maybe it was a typo? hear hear --- I worked for th…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-07-15:1702911:Comment:644842010-07-15T10:42:45.035ZMonica S Floreshttp://www.techhui.com/profile/MonicaSFlores
hear hear --- I worked for the NBC Olympics in 2000 - in the middle of the dot-com era in San Francisco -- 3 weeks of web development for $11,000 for a twenty-five-year-old was pure ludicrousness. People would park the BMW's illegally and say the parking tickets were just the price of having fun at the club.<br />
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That said, if it is to be, it is up to us.<br />
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Part of all of us being gifted with good, usable brains is for us to rub our hands together and start thinking of thousands of ways to bring…
hear hear --- I worked for the NBC Olympics in 2000 - in the middle of the dot-com era in San Francisco -- 3 weeks of web development for $11,000 for a twenty-five-year-old was pure ludicrousness. People would park the BMW's illegally and say the parking tickets were just the price of having fun at the club.<br />
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That said, if it is to be, it is up to us.<br />
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Part of all of us being gifted with good, usable brains is for us to rub our hands together and start thinking of thousands of ways to bring value to our community.<br />
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What does a profitable, growing Hawaii company look like? is it in the tech sector? What is our value-added? What is our unique selling proposition? What does the Pacific Rim want? What can Hawaii deliver?<br />
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I think we all benefit from more entrepreneur training, idea generation, and cross-fertilization like within this group. The solutions and the right people and the financing are available but the idea --- oh, yes, getting an idea is the most challenging issue, isn't it?<br />
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Who has the next big idea ??<br />
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Or, better yet, who has a pretty good idea that, if envisioned and built correctly, will grow big?<br />
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Do we set up a TechHui think tank?<br />
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<cite>Brian said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?id=1702911%3ATopic%3A62604&page=2#1702911Comment63363"><div>I don't think comparing dot.com era salaries to current ones makes much sense. There were all sorts of ridiculous jobs going around then, people getting BMWs and apartments, etc as long as they had the right buzzwords on their resume.</div>
</blockquote> More in line with what I'd ex…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634222010-06-25T18:08:22.654ZLes Vogelhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/LesVogel
More in line with what I'd expect. Sad. That's what keeps IT from happening here.<br />
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Ahh, notice that's score, not rank.<br />
UH's rank in that list is #137.
More in line with what I'd expect. Sad. That's what keeps IT from happening here.<br />
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<cite>Nate Sanders said:</cite><br />
Ahh, notice that's score, not rank.<br />
UH's rank in that list is #137. Les Vogel said:http://grad-sc…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634212010-06-25T17:53:32.432ZNate Sandershttp://www.techhui.com/profile/NateSanders
<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63420&xg_source=activity#1702911Comment63420"><div>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/items/02050<br/> <br/></div>
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Ahh, notice that's score, not rank.<br />
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UH's rank in that list is #137.
<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63420&xg_source=activity#1702911Comment63420"><div>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/items/02050<br/> <br/></div>
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Ahh, notice that's score, not rank.<br />
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UH's rank in that list is #137. http://grad-schools.usnews.ra…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634202010-06-25T17:46:31.789ZLes Vogelhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/LesVogel
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/items/02050<br />
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<cite>Les, could you link what you're referring to here?</cite>
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/items/02050<br />
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<cite>Les, could you link what you're referring to here?</cite> Les Vogel said:US News puts e…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634182010-06-25T17:43:07.401ZNate Sandershttp://www.techhui.com/profile/NateSanders
<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63413&xg_source=activity#1702911Comment63402"><div>US News puts engineering at 12 of 100, not bad.<br/> <br/>
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Les, could you link what you're referring to here?
<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63413&xg_source=activity#1702911Comment63402"><div>US News puts engineering at 12 of 100, not bad.<br/> <br/>
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Les, could you link what you're referring to here? I think the fact that everyti…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634132010-06-25T09:11:27.411ZBrianhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/Brian268
I think the fact that everytime someone brings this up the ONLY significant thing people can mention is AlohaNet (~40 years ago) pretty much describes the state of tech research here.<br />
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<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote>Don't know where they are for EE or CS. I've met a lot of very smart folks, but none who were associated with U of H. (I'm not saying they aren't there, just haven't met them.) Hawaii used to be the leading edge for network research. AlohaNet lead to TCP/IP.</blockquote>
I think the fact that everytime someone brings this up the ONLY significant thing people can mention is AlohaNet (~40 years ago) pretty much describes the state of tech research here.<br />
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<cite>Les Vogel said:</cite><blockquote>Don't know where they are for EE or CS. I've met a lot of very smart folks, but none who were associated with U of H. (I'm not saying they aren't there, just haven't met them.) Hawaii used to be the leading edge for network research. AlohaNet lead to TCP/IP.</blockquote> We need a first rate engineer…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634022010-06-25T02:21:55.137ZLes Vogelhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/LesVogel
We need a first rate engineering university to make that happen. U of H used to be great in the 70's & 80's, don't know how hot it is these days. US News puts engineering at 12 of 100, not bad.<br />
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Don't know where they are for EE or CS. I've met a lot of very smart folks, but none who were associated with U of H. (I'm not saying they aren't there, just haven't met them.) Hawaii used to be the leading edge for network research. AlohaNet lead to TCP/IP.
We need a first rate engineering university to make that happen. U of H used to be great in the 70's & 80's, don't know how hot it is these days. US News puts engineering at 12 of 100, not bad.<br />
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Don't know where they are for EE or CS. I've met a lot of very smart folks, but none who were associated with U of H. (I'm not saying they aren't there, just haven't met them.) Hawaii used to be the leading edge for network research. AlohaNet lead to TCP/IP. Jared, I am with about the ne…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-06-25:1702911:Comment:634012010-06-25T01:57:24.253ZJohnhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/John
Jared, I am with about the need and value of establishing a critical mass. Even if we had a few tech companies with 100+ employees, profitable and not dependent on the local/military market, that would be great catalyst for a sustainable and robust tech sector. That being said, it seems to be a long unclear road even to that point.<br />
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<cite>Jared Cheung said:…</cite>
Jared, I am with about the need and value of establishing a critical mass. Even if we had a few tech companies with 100+ employees, profitable and not dependent on the local/military market, that would be great catalyst for a sustainable and robust tech sector. That being said, it seems to be a long unclear road even to that point.<br />
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<cite>Jared Cheung said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/is-the-it-field-hawaii-really?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A63373&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1702911Comment63395"><div>Well not all large companies had the explosive expansion as Google did. A couple successful companies like Zappos would do the job just as well. Now I mean companies that are not dependent on government contracts which is what a lot of the start-ups here seem to be dependent upon. We need a couple of tech Hawaii tech companies to make it big with their own idea and product.<br/></div>
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