China behind cyber attack on 30 plus U.S. companies? - TechHui2024-03-29T15:27:21Zhttp://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noInterestingly enough, Microso…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-03-13:1702911:Comment:581262010-03-13T14:22:39.505ZKonstantin A Lukinhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KonstantinLukin
Interestingly enough, Microsoft has <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10435357-265.html" target="_blank">no problem</a> with 'helping' China continue censoring search results.<br />
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<blockquote>"Cyberattacks are an unfortunate way of life," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said.</blockquote>
Right.. IMO it's just really 'good business' for Microsoft, at the expense of Internet freedom.<br />
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Interestingly enough, Microsoft has <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10435357-265.html" target="_blank">no problem</a> with 'helping' China continue censoring search results.<br />
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<blockquote>"Cyberattacks are an unfortunate way of life," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said.</blockquote>
Right.. IMO it's just really 'good business' for Microsoft, at the expense of Internet freedom.<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20100114/051107_ballmer_s2_270x202.jpg"/></p> Google ‘99.9 Percent’ Sure to…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-03-13:1702911:Comment:581252010-03-13T14:11:30.537ZKonstantin A Lukinhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KonstantinLukin
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-13/google-99-9-percent-sure-to-shut-down-in-china-ft-says.html" target="_blank">Google ‘99.9 Percent’ Sure to Shut Down in China</a><br />
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<blockquote>China yesterday called Google’s plan to defy government censorship rules “unfriendly and irresponsible.”</blockquote>
interesting.. he he. What does China call information/mind control, needed & justified?<br />
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<blockquote>“China wants to be the leading place for research and development. They’d like…</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-13/google-99-9-percent-sure-to-shut-down-in-china-ft-says.html" target="_blank">Google ‘99.9 Percent’ Sure to Shut Down in China</a><br />
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<blockquote>China yesterday called Google’s plan to defy government censorship rules “unfriendly and irresponsible.”</blockquote>
interesting.. he he. What does China call information/mind control, needed & justified?<br />
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<blockquote>“China wants to be the leading place for research and development. They’d like to have tech companies here but they don’t want the content involvement. But you can’t separate the two.”</blockquote>
Excellent point. China wants technical progress, but they want to do 'their' way.. simply not realistic (and IMO highly egotistic).<br />
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<blockquote>The resolution of the dispute with Google rests on the company, not the government, Li Yizhong, minister of industry and information technology, said on March 12. “If one company violates the Chinese law and is unfriendly and irresponsible, that’s unwanted and means the company doesn’t merit its world class status.”</blockquote>
Non-sense. Who gave China the right to 'award' world-class status?<br />
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<blockquote>China may have 840 million Internet users, or 61 percent of the population, by 2013, according to EMarketer Inc. in New York. The country had 384 million at the end of last year, according to government data.</blockquote>
Interesting.. which means China will have a lot of unhappy & deprived Internet citizens.. which means China could be on a brink of an <i>internal information renaissance</i> :)<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://carnalreason.org/images/google.gif"/></p> Looks like the hackers actual…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-03-04:1702911:Comment:575942010-03-04T08:47:36.547ZGus Higuerahttp://www.techhui.com/profile/GusHiguera
Looks like the hackers actually stole source code from some top US companies including Google by attacking the Perforce repositories. They even think that the hackers checked in code that could later help them spy on said companies. Seems like a pretty sophisticated and calculated attack.<br />
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<a href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100303/ttc-uk-china-google-fe50bdd.html" target="_blank">http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100303/ttc-uk-china-google-fe50bdd.html</a>
Looks like the hackers actually stole source code from some top US companies including Google by attacking the Perforce repositories. They even think that the hackers checked in code that could later help them spy on said companies. Seems like a pretty sophisticated and calculated attack.<br />
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<a href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100303/ttc-uk-china-google-fe50bdd.html" target="_blank">http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100303/ttc-uk-china-google-fe50bdd.html</a> We're putting together a lunc…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-02-25:1702911:Comment:572752010-02-25T20:20:57.362ZKimo Watanabehttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KimoWatanabe
We're putting together a lunch and learn type deal at our corporate offices in Utah with Google's first patent attorney and the one who took them to China. It'll be a pretty informal deal, but should be very interesting to get his take on everything that's happened and his thoughts on the future of Google specifically in China.
We're putting together a lunch and learn type deal at our corporate offices in Utah with Google's first patent attorney and the one who took them to China. It'll be a pretty informal deal, but should be very interesting to get his take on everything that's happened and his thoughts on the future of Google specifically in China. Chinese scientific community…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-02-25:1702911:Comment:572432010-02-25T01:37:18.061ZKonstantin A Lukinhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KonstantinLukin
Chinese scientific community expressed their opinion about Google stance. Here are some of the things they had to say:<br />
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A Nature News survey of Chinese scientists found that 84 percent of them thought losing access to Google would “somewhat or significantly” hurt their work process. Like their American counterparts, Chinese researchers use Google and Google Scholar to find papers and related information.<br />
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“Research without Google would be like life without electricity,” one Chinese scientist…
Chinese scientific community expressed their opinion about Google stance. Here are some of the things they had to say:<br />
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A Nature News survey of Chinese scientists found that 84 percent of them thought losing access to Google would “somewhat or significantly” hurt their work process. Like their American counterparts, Chinese researchers use Google and Google Scholar to find papers and related information.<br />
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“Research without Google would be like life without electricity,” one Chinese scientist told Nature.<br />
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"If events do continue in that direction, truly global enterprises like science could suffer as information becomes harder — even if only moderately — to exchange"<br />
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And the big question, asked by <a href="http://twitter.com/robinsloan/status/7687484848" target="_blank">a media blogger</a>:<br />
“Is the Chinese internet going to be largely parallel? The othernet?”<br />
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Here is the full article:<br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/china-scientists-google" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/china-scientists-google</a> Daniel Leuck said:Hi Kimo - Y…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-02-05:1702911:Comment:561882010-02-05T20:42:52.162ZKonstantin A Lukinhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KonstantinLukin
<cite>Daniel Leuck said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on#1702911Comment55592"><div>Hi Kimo - You bring up a good point. While China recently surpassed the US in terms of the total number of web surfers, they spend far less online than their US, Japanese and European counterparts. This will undoubtedly change over time, but a lot of companies jumped the gun based solely on head count.<br></br></div>
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From what I hear, I think this…
<cite>Daniel Leuck said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on#1702911Comment55592"><div>Hi Kimo - You bring up a good point. While China recently surpassed the US in terms of the total number of web surfers, they spend far less online than their US, Japanese and European counterparts. This will undoubtedly change over time, but a lot of companies jumped the gun based solely on head count.<br/></div>
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From what I hear, I think this has a lot to do with their censorship of information. If the only thing one could search for is what your government thinks is 'good for you', then I would not spend much time online either.. :) My question is <u>why</u> are they censoring? What are their main concerns? Daniel Leuck said:From a frie…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-02-05:1702911:Comment:561832010-02-05T20:27:19.155ZKonstantin A Lukinhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KonstantinLukin
<cite>Daniel Leuck said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on#1702911Comment56129"><div>From a friend currently traveling in China: "Google docs were not available in any city I visited - ShangHai, Shenzhen and Beijing. I am in HongKong right at this moment, just checked, the docs are working here :-)"</div>
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And that is the other thing. If Google pulls out, what are the alternatives to cross-border information exchange for small…
<cite>Daniel Leuck said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on#1702911Comment56129"><div>From a friend currently traveling in China: "Google docs were not available in any city I visited - ShangHai, Shenzhen and Beijing. I am in HongKong right at this moment, just checked, the docs are working here :-)"</div>
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And that is the other thing. If Google pulls out, what are the alternatives to cross-border information exchange for small businesses? Google docs provides a very nice media format, if such tools are not readily available, it could potentially have a sizable impact on economic growth down the line.. (theirs and ours)<br />
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On the other hand, in general, I think a healthy business exchange is good for politics, and the fact that China is not willing to eagerly participate means there are deeper (cultural?) problems that are not being openly discussed at the moment (why?).. where I tend to agree with Kimo, is also making me a bit nervous. From a friend currently trave…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-02-05:1702911:Comment:561292010-02-05T00:37:33.873ZDaniel Leuckhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/dleuck
From a friend currently traveling in China: "Google docs were not available in any city I visited - ShangHai, Shenzhen and Beijing. I am in HongKong right at this moment, just checked, the docs are working here :-)"
From a friend currently traveling in China: "Google docs were not available in any city I visited - ShangHai, Shenzhen and Beijing. I am in HongKong right at this moment, just checked, the docs are working here :-)" Hi Kimo - You bring up a good…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-01-26:1702911:Comment:555922010-01-26T01:24:12.268ZDaniel Leuckhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/dleuck
Hi Kimo - You bring up a good point. While China recently surpassed the US in terms of the total number of web surfers, they spend far less online than their US, Japanese and European counterparts. This will undoubtedly change over time, but a lot of companies jumped the gun based solely on head count.<br />
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Google is big enough to take a 10 to 20 year view. I don't think they were expecting big profits this year or next.
Hi Kimo - You bring up a good point. While China recently surpassed the US in terms of the total number of web surfers, they spend far less online than their US, Japanese and European counterparts. This will undoubtedly change over time, but a lot of companies jumped the gun based solely on head count.<br />
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Google is big enough to take a 10 to 20 year view. I don't think they were expecting big profits this year or next. I don't know about that. I th…tag:www.techhui.com,2010-01-25:1702911:Comment:555902010-01-25T21:54:56.381ZKimo Watanabehttp://www.techhui.com/profile/KimoWatanabe
I don't know about that. I think that that things are only going to get worse in terms of China's response. I don't get the sense that they're going to back down. They've called Hillary Clinton's comments disrespectful, and have went on to say, "On the Internet question, China doesn't need any lessons from the United States on what to do or how,"<br />
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I think this situation is going to get worse before it gets any better. Beyond that, I tend to think that China is not the cash cow that many US…
I don't know about that. I think that that things are only going to get worse in terms of China's response. I don't get the sense that they're going to back down. They've called Hillary Clinton's comments disrespectful, and have went on to say, "On the Internet question, China doesn't need any lessons from the United States on what to do or how,"<br />
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I think this situation is going to get worse before it gets any better. Beyond that, I tend to think that China is not the cash cow that many US based companies believed it would be. For all the controversy around Google, their business in China reportedly only represents 2% of their overall revenue. I understand that other internet and media based companies doing worse. Google had; from what I understand, 30% market penetration and others have certainly not been as successful.<br />
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To be completely honest, the situation makes me somewhat nervous.<br />
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<cite>Mika Leuck said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on?commentId=1702911%3AComment%3A55572&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1702911Comment55572"><div>I don't think China's government will back down. The question is, how much will it hurt them when Google leaves? Are they just removing search? I wonder if Chinese businesses will still be able to use Google Apps. Baidu doesn't have all the applications Google offers. If they are removing everything the Chinese government will have to deal with a lot of unhappy businesspeople!<br/> <br/>
<blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/china-behind-cyber-attack-on?xg_source=activity#1702911Comment55436">Konstantin A Lukin said: As a purely economical question, can Baidu really replace everything that Google has to offer? Could China possibly be loosing out without Googles presence?</blockquote>
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