ALOHAnet - TechHui2024-03-29T13:48:54Zhttp://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/1702911:Topic:11003?feed=yes&xn_auth=noJim Thompson said:Jim Thompso…tag:www.techhui.com,2009-07-19:1702911:Comment:465102009-07-19T16:16:50.107ZJim Thompsonhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/gonzopancho
<cite>Jim Thompson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/comment/show?id=1702911%3AComment%3A46509&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&_=1248020100829&xg_token=c80b0544420e27cd2b3eb78c3c4abfa8#1702911Comment46509"><div><cite>Jim Thompson said:…</cite></div>
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<cite>Jim Thompson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/comment/show?id=1702911%3AComment%3A46509&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&_=1248020100829&xg_token=c80b0544420e27cd2b3eb78c3c4abfa8#1702911Comment46509"><div><cite>Jim Thompson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/comment/show?id=1702911%3AComment%3A46508&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&_=1248019989009&xg_token=c80b0544420e27cd2b3eb78c3c4abfa8#1702911Comment46508"><div>802.11a and 802.11g (the non-b part) use OFDM.<br/> 802.11b uses CCK modulation (a form of direct spread)<br/>
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and OFDM is *nothing* like an "inverse multiplexor".<br />
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Finally, its not the "two access" that (nearly) halve the throughput, but rather the delay time between them.<br/>
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<cite>Sam Chepkevich said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.techhui.com/forum/topics/1702911:Topic:11003#1702911Comment11141"><div>Sorry for the long winded post. CSMA/CA is essentially the MAC (Medium Access Control) that ALOHAnet used. Slotted Aloha added slot times to minimize collisions. CSMA/CA is used in the IEEE 802.11 MAC. CSMA/CA or just CSMA requires two medium accesses for each transmission, one for the message and one for the acknowledgement. Although CA is for Collision Avoidance, collisions can occur as they do in CSMA/CD Ethernet.<br/> <br/> CSMA/CD or Ethernet can detect a collision, but wireless cannot, thus, the CSMA/CA method waits for an acknowledgment from the other end to determine if the packet was transmitted properly. The two medium accesses result in less throughput, by roughly half.<br/> <br/>
So basically all of the 802.11a/b/g protocols use CSMA/CA of some form in addition to OFDM (Orthagonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) which works similiar to an inverse multiplexer to accomplish transmission.<br/>
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<a href="http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/wireless_comm_specs.htm">http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/wireless_comm_specs.htm</a> shows the various technologies used in wireless and cellular communications.</div>
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</blockquote> it wasn't the first, by far.…tag:www.techhui.com,2009-07-19:1702911:Comment:465062009-07-19T16:11:52.203ZJim Thompsonhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/gonzopancho
it wasn't the first, by far.<br />
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But it did have a good idea (CSMA), which got adopted by Bob Metcalf into Ethernet. (Not that CSMA/CD is used much in today's full-duplex switched environments.)
it wasn't the first, by far.<br />
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But it did have a good idea (CSMA), which got adopted by Bob Metcalf into Ethernet. (Not that CSMA/CD is used much in today's full-duplex switched environments.) Sorry for the long winded pos…tag:www.techhui.com,2008-04-08:1702911:Comment:111412008-04-08T22:03:01.432ZSam Chepkevichhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/SamChepkevich
Sorry for the long winded post. CSMA/CA is essentially the MAC (Medium Access Control) that ALOHAnet used. Slotted Aloha added slot times to minimize collisions. CSMA/CA is used in the IEEE 802.11 MAC. CSMA/CA or just CSMA requires two medium accesses for each transmission, one for the message and one for the acknowledgement. Although CA is for Collision Avoidance, collisions can occur as they do in CSMA/CD Ethernet.<br />
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CSMA/CD or Ethernet can detect a collision, but wireless cannot, thus, the…
Sorry for the long winded post. CSMA/CA is essentially the MAC (Medium Access Control) that ALOHAnet used. Slotted Aloha added slot times to minimize collisions. CSMA/CA is used in the IEEE 802.11 MAC. CSMA/CA or just CSMA requires two medium accesses for each transmission, one for the message and one for the acknowledgement. Although CA is for Collision Avoidance, collisions can occur as they do in CSMA/CD Ethernet.<br />
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CSMA/CD or Ethernet can detect a collision, but wireless cannot, thus, the CSMA/CA method waits for an acknowledgment from the other end to determine if the packet was transmitted properly. The two medium accesses result in less throughput, by roughly half.<br />
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So basically all of the 802.11a/b/g protocols use CSMA/CA of some form in addition to OFDM (Orthagonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) which works similiar to an inverse multiplexer to accomplish transmission.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/wireless_comm_specs.htm">http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/wireless_comm_specs.htm</a> shows the various technologies used in wireless and cellular communications. Right, Wikipedia mentions bot…tag:www.techhui.com,2008-04-08:1702911:Comment:110992008-04-08T09:21:23.157ZKevin Hugheshttp://www.techhui.com/profile/kevcom
Right, Wikipedia mentions both versions of the protocol, and that some variant is still in use as a part of cell phone networks today. I wonder what the statistics are behind that - it would be very cool to say that a certain percentage of the world population communicates with "pure aloha"!
Right, Wikipedia mentions both versions of the protocol, and that some variant is still in use as a part of cell phone networks today. I wonder what the statistics are behind that - it would be very cool to say that a certain percentage of the world population communicates with "pure aloha"! Funny - Kevin Hughes was just…tag:www.techhui.com,2008-04-07:1702911:Comment:110212008-04-07T11:20:08.068ZDaniel Leuckhttp://www.techhui.com/profile/dleuck
Funny - <a href="http://www.techhui.com/profile/kevcom">Kevin Hughes</a> was just telling me about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALOHAnet">ALOHAnet</a> and Pure Aloha vs. Slotted Aloha yesterday. His story was the reason I created this category.
Funny - <a href="http://www.techhui.com/profile/kevcom">Kevin Hughes</a> was just telling me about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALOHAnet">ALOHAnet</a> and Pure Aloha vs. Slotted Aloha yesterday. His story was the reason I created this category.